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Old Bulletin Board Thread for Mastercrafters Clocks

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Updated April 18, 2013
 

Back on the 2004 BB, I started a thread that generated a lot of traffic and at least some controversy. After quite a bit of research, a group of us discovered information about the old Mastercrafters Clocks. The text below is straight from the 2004 BB. While not exactly linear in the information, you have a chance to see how the information changed and grew over a few months. The cleaner and more concise version is on this page: Mastercrafters Clocks
I just wanted to get this information back in public view as it was pretty earth shattering for a lot of Breyer collectors at the time.

 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on July 28, 2004  
  Newly Updated MasterCrafter Clock Page: Mastercrafters Clocks Note, the information below was written and offered over a few week period of time, so the chronological ordering is a bit choppy. There is plenty of great information in the thread, much of which supports the information now more cleanly written on the page linked above. MJ  
     
  Howdy collectors, If you read my post from a few months ago about the beginnings of the Mastercrafters Clock and the ad in a toy magazine indicating Hartland Plastics was planning on selling individual horses, I have some additional information. This information might knock you on your back side as we follow it up with solid documentation.  
     
   
  The ad was placed in Novelties and Toys Magazine in June of 1950, showing what we all know as a Breyer style large horse. That leads us to back up and state the pre-1949 Victor Clock horses were also Hartlands made using their own mold.  
     
   
  In my most recent version of the clock and horse story, I suggested that Mastercrafters Clock and Radio took the early style horse mold to Breyer to finish the production. The horse shown in the ad and also in early Victor Clock Horses are of the style horse with what Nancy Young has labeled as "diamond" conchos on the bridle as shown below. I had assumed Breyer had to have had possession of the large "early Hartland" horse to produce their first line of horses. Read on....  
     
   
  All the known horses on the Horse Over The Clock are of the style identified as the horse with the Diamond conchos (including ones later assumed to be Hartland Champ style horses). Also of note, all of the inspected HOC (Horse over the clock) sets have bases with a Diamond I molded into the bottom of the base. This imprint helps confirm the pieces were originally made by Hartland Plastics.  
   
     
  New Toys on Parade--Novelties and Toys--June 1950  
   
     
   
  Breyer Western Horse  
     
  Okay, now for the new stuff: I have to go dig through hundreds of emails on this subject, but in the early '50s, ads appeared in magazines like Western Horseman showing a horse called "Cream Puff". (see that ad a few pics down the page) It was in the style horse shown in the Hartland press release from 1950. For the past couple of months, Nancy Young, Sande Schneider, Bruce Schwartz and myself have been exchanging emails in earnest trying to again sort out the pieces of the puzzle. Nancy Young is the Breyer expert and Sande has both Breyer and Hartland "Champ" style horses. Using evidence we have had all along and the new documentation, it now strongly points to the probability that all the Horse Over The Clocks were created and produced by Hartland Plastics. It is extremely probable that ALL of the large horses with the Diamond Conchos were actually Hartland horses, too, even the Cream Puffs both camps had traditionally assumed were made by Breyer. Bring on the shock waves!
Using Breyer's own documentation, there is a strong chance they were brought into the picture specifically to make a new horse and a new base for the Mastercrafters clock with the "Horse Beside The Clock”and only after Hartland had finished the Horse Over The Clock deal. Breyer's large horse is noticeably different in relation to the conchos on the bridle and also the thick tail. At approximately the same time, Hartland created a new horse with the glued-on tail, the ones we think of as the Hartland Large Champ horse. That horse might have been brought into production prior to the end of Hartland's deal with Mastercrafters, resulting in a few being used on some sets. No one knows right now why Hartland would have made a new horse at this time unless it was to prepare for stepped up production of the anticipated move to selling individual toy horses. Added 7-23-04

The "counter books" showing Victor (see photo near the top of the page) first appeared in 1949 and again in 1950, but did not appear in the 1951 issues of the same catalogs. Likewise, they were not offered in 1948. The Hartland window for this production piece was probably mid-1949 thru early 1950. Chronologically speaking, this lines up with a photo of Iola Walters holding a large Champ style horse—probably at the February 1950 New York Toy Fair. Ed Walters, also shown in the photo, died on December 28, 1951. If Hartland had plans on entering the toy/collectible horse market in mid-1950, it would make sense they would appear at a Toy Show holding their newest product. Toy shows were also held in Chicago and Milwaukee each year, so if the photo was not taken at the February NY Toy Fair, it would have certainly been close to the press release ad shown at the top of the page. Added 7-23-04

Without going into the messy details here now, the new scenario actually dovetails into the story line very well. There was some "blurry" reporting of the historical facts over the years, but this new discovery cleans up some loose ends. After seeing the toy magazine press release, I proposed to Nancy Young that the first big "Breyer" horse was from an original Hartland mold. After the endless exchange of emails on the subject, she actually pushed it to the new level. Eventually, we all came to the same conclusion. "All diamond concho horses are Hartlands, regardless of whether the mane is on the left or right!" It is very possible that a lot of "died in the wool" Breyer collectors own Hartland horses whether they know it or not, yet. Conversely, there are a lot of equally enthusiastic Hartland collectors who may have to dig a little deeper in their pockets to buy the numerous variations of the large "thick tailed horse" with diamond conchos and the mane on the left side of the horse.
 
     
   
  Ads placed in Western Horseman Magazine by Little Joe Wiesenfield Co. of Baltimore show a horse with the thick tail and mane on the left never had a manufacturer name associated with them. The ad above was in Western Horseman, Nov. 1950 and again in November, 1951. It is the first known ad showing that horse set. The horse was labeled Cream Puff, apparently by Little Joe. Until not too long ago, we thought the thick tail and left-side mane horses absolutely had to be Breyer horses, but in fact, it was probably just the logical progression of Hartland doing what their ad/press release said they were going to be doing in mid-1950. The "void" in Hartland horse sales we thought we were seeing was actually not a void at all. In one of my early theories, I suggested that Hartland may have seen what Breyer was doing with their horses and then played catch-up, but I believe I was wrong on that account. Breyer would have used the mold they produced for MasterCrafters to begin their horse production after their Horse By The Clock contract was fulfilled.  
     
   
  I'll try to continue to fill in the voids on this ground breaking news as the details flow in and more parts get pinned down. I guess I should say there is a chance we are wrong about this issue, but the evidence is becoming more compelling as the weeks march on. If I am wrong, I will have a temporary black eye. Otherwise, remember you heard it FIRST right here on this site and not in any book. MJ  
     
  Posted by Breyer expert, Nancy Young on July 10, 2004 :  
  Hi Hartland and Breyer fans, Mike suggested that I post on the colors of the diamond-concho (or "pointed concho") Western Horses. These horses seem to be Hartlands, in light of that shocking June 1950 ad in Toys and Novelties magazine for the "Hartland Palomino". (See Mike's post for a scan.)

The diamond-concho's WH's are known to come in two colors: white and green/sorrel-palomino. Here are details:
 
     
   
  1. White. The horse is a creamy white color, which is the color of the plastic; it's not paint. His hooves are brownish black. Some of these horses have brown shading on the mane and tail, others have white mane and tail. The brown paint is fragile and can wash off if you give the piece a bath... which accounts for at least some of the pieces with white m/t. His bridle and breastcollar are unpainted white, with painted gold concho-studs. The saddle is brown, with whitewashing on the skirts. Some have a vinyl cinch with buckle; others have no cinch.

These white horses are relatively common. They are found both on Mastercrafter clocks (horse-over-the-clock) and free-standing. Mike shows examples on his site. Their coloring is identical to the coloring of the white Champs on over-the-clocks. I don't believe any free-standing Champs of this coloring have been found (Sande, Mike, please correct me if that's wrong). Interestingly, some Breyer round-conchos Western Horses also come in this color, on the horse-beside-the-clock style of MC clock and free-standing. Note that the diamond-conchos Western Horse on the "Victor" over-the-clock in the 1949 and 1950 ads (shown on this site) also appears to be of this coloring--white with brown-shaded mane and tail-- except "Victor" has pale/white hooves and dark bridle and breastcollar. Perhaps he was a test piece.
 
     
 

 
  Now for the exciting part: The June 1950 Toys and Novelties ad for the "Hartland Palomino" shows the greenie/sorrel-palomino horse. Yes, the ad is black and white, but it does call him "palomino," and his tones are exactly what you'd expect if you photographed a greenie/sorrel in black and white. In the ad, you can see the dark shading in the mane and tail, the bald face and high stockings, the dark hooves, dark bridle and breastcollar, and pale saddle. Why the ad calls him "palomino" when the photo clearly shows the dark shading in the mane and tail, I don't know. Evidently the folks at Hartland at that time were ignorant about equestrian matters. I would call him sorrel (or chestnut, if you prefer), in view of the dark m/t and reddish body tone, both of which disqualify him as palomino.  
     
   
  The fact that several greenie free-standing specimens have already turned up (and surely more are to be found) indicates that Hartland did go ahead and produce the horses it advertised in the 1950 Toys and Novelities ad, it seems to me. In view of the ad, I don't see how it is possible to call these greenie horses anything but Hartlands.

And consider, too, the fact that Hartland sorrel color (painted on other Hartland molds) is known to turn green. Sheryl owns an example or two and told me that this is a known tragedy among Hartlands. Breyer sorrels and palominos, on the other hand, retain their lovely realistic colors to this day (though their plastic can yellow, of course). Breyers don't turn green. So the very greenness of the diamond-conchos greenies implicates them as Hartlands, it seems to me.

What about the white horses? An ad for them appears in the November 1950 Western Horseman and again in Nov. 1951. It's an ad placed by a retailer-- a saddlery outfit called Little Joe Wiesenfeld's. Little Joe doesn't mention the manufacturer, but the image in the ad plainly shows the white version of the diamond-conchos Western Horse. Little Joe dubs him "Cream Puff."
 
     
   
  It seems to me--and I believe to Mike, Sande, and Sheryl, too--that the white horses must also be Hartlands. After all, they are the same mold as the greenie "Hartland Palomino," and they were marketed at the same time: 1950. Nancy  
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on July 10, 2004  
  Just to add a few more comments, no one really knows details of why Hartland parted ways with Mastercrafters Clock and Radio. Looks like they made a couple of different base colors and even a couple of different paint colors on the horses past the Walnut colored bases, but for some reason MC took the next set of clocks to Breyer and hired them to do the Horse Beside the Clock sets (probably some time in mid-1950).

If Breyer began their clocks after Hartland finished their contract, Breyer would have needed a period of time to produce the clock sets before they began selling the horses individually using the horse they molded for the Horse By The Clock sets.

According to Nancy Young:
 
   
  Sept. 1951, Western Horseman Mag. -- the earliest known ad for Breyer round-conchos Western Horse in palomino. (shown above)  
     
   
  Jan. 1952,Western Horseman Mag. -- earliest known ad for Breyer round-conchos Western Horse in white. (shown above)  
     
   
  Sept. 1953, Western Horseman Mag. -- one of earliest ads for Breyer small Western Pony, "Black Beauty." (shown above)

Breyer's own literature states they got their start using a horse they designed for a clock for Mastercrafters.

Again, all the loose ends start weaving together as this story line continues.

Mike
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on July 23, 2004  
  I added a few new scans into the posts from a few weeks ago. They re-inforce dates and events.

For the Haynet and Breyer group finding this post, I removed a huge portion of the old MasterCrafters page tonight. I had left the old version up on the site until tonight, thinking I could build core contents of the new page here first. The old page might have caused some confusion I hadn't ancitipated.

In the previous version of the MC story, I had suggested MC took the large horse mold to Breyer to finish the production run, but now we are pretty sure that didn't happen. We think the original large horse mold with the diamond conchos stayed with Hartland and Breyer created their new molds for the horse and base for the Horse Beside the Clock. Again, sorry for the confusion!

For the Hartland readers, Sande Schneider announced the new discoveries on some of the Haynet Horse list servers last night. We felt it was a good time to do that since Breyerfest is coming up very soon. The news will now filter through all the Breyer collectors there and maybe some new information will turn up. It will probably be a hot topic there!


Mike
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on July 23, 2004  
   
  Also of note, Nancy Young shows two photos of the white version of the concho style horse with the mane on the left in her extensive book on Breyers. The horse is shown with a round red and white tag, similar to many later Hartland tags. Nancy had described the tag as "unusual" because the tag said "Lot 57", yet the horse was in the mold many Breyer collectors called the #59 Palomino Western Horse.  
     
   
  If the new story line is correct, the confusion associated with that tag is now mostly solved. Any Hartland collector would have identified that tag as a Hartland style tag, yet I don't think it resembles other Breyer tags. Also, the tag says "Ceramic Clock Co, 216 N. Clinton St., Chicago 6, Ill. I don't know yet if the horse has any tell-tale signs of being attached to a clock base, but since the tag mentions Ceramic Clock Co, I suspect it did. The address included on the tag matches up with a known address of Mastercrafters Clock and Radio in Chicago. While we will probably never know, I now suspect all, or almost all, Horses over the Clock sets originally had that red and white tag when it shipped from the factory(s).

The red and white tag points more towards Hartland than Breyer, plus the number does not match Breyer numbering. More than likely, the Lot 57 was assigned by Mastercrafters (or it's division that handled that horse clock). The horse was credited to Jo Kulwicki by Nancy Young.

Again, this is probably a Hartland horse, produced for MC to go on a Horse Over the Clock base.


Mike Jackson Jackson Hole, WY
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on July 24, 2004  
  Sande Schneider forwarded a couple of Haynet responses. I'll respond here at least until I get signed up there.

A couple of people suggested that Hartland might have modified their original clock horse mold to become the newer 900 series Champ style horse. Nope! I don't think so. That would require some MAJOR mold modifications.
 
     
   
  The photo above IS the 900 series horse. Notice there is no additional room near the rump for an half/half tail. Also notice the tail in this mold was molded into a separate spru. Nope. This is a separate mold.

Also, some people speculate it was common for Hartland to modify molds, using the Semi-Rearing horses as an example. Again, I don't think so. If you visit the link below, it takes you to a page of original historic molds. There are at least three different Semi-Rearing horse molds shown there and I think I have photos of a couple more I didn't include for fear of being redundant on the page.

Quite honestly, I don't think they modified their molds much at all--other than to add numbers, letters, or new imprints. The only example I think I can come up with is the Walking, Wavy Tailed early horse. I am almost positive that mold was later modified to be the cropped mane horse for sets in the middle years. In later years, they quit using that mold and made some cropped mane horse by cutting the mane off slender tailed horses which were in full production at the time. On close examination, you can see saw marks and inconsistent mane thicknesses on the slender tailed, cropped mane horses.

Mike Jackson Jackson Hole, WY
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on August 11, 2004  
   
  This is a scan from a 1953 Wyeth (wholesale) catalog showing a Breyer Western Horse. As you can see, this one has the round conchos on the bridle. They number it #57, the Palomino. The Breyer horse was used on the Horse Beside the Clock for Mastercrafter Clock and Radio.

Of interest, the page states both sizes were available in three color schemes. I don't know the publication date of a 1953 wholesale catalog, but you'd at least expect it to be available early in the year, plus allowing for lead time for the production of the piece. We have documentation indicating Hartland had their Large Horse and Riders as early as January of 1953.

Mike Jackson Jackson Hole, WY
 
     
  Posted by DeborahK on Sept 22, 2004  
  I have a large champ saddle that until now I assumed was made by Breyer because of the girth/snap strap. It is not quite like my other Breyer saddles though. It has more color to the detailing and a slightly different feel to the plastic. Now I'm wondering if this saddle could actually be a Hartland. It ceretainly looks like the ones pictured in these posts.  
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on Sept. 22, 2004  
  Deborah,
Sande Schneider is planning on posting some additional info about the older saddles. She has more details than me, so I will defer to her experience.

With that said, I am learning that some of the large Hartland saddles actually had snap style strap cinches. Normally, the Breyer snap cinches fasten low on the fenders, while the Hartland saddles had rivets much higher. Some had actual snaps and some had more of a buckle. From my limited experiences, the Hartland saddles may have also originally had some sort of felt blanket to protect the rivet from the horse. Some may only have a felt patch to protect the rivets.

I recently obtained my first early large saddle with the plastic snap style cinch strap. It definitely has a different feel and weight.

Mike Jackson
 
     
  Posted by Mrrecordrfs on Oct. 25, 2004  
  Well folks, its about time someone acknowledged what I have said for years! "MOST" Large Champ Hartland Cowboys came with a Large Champ horse "With the mane on the left side" !!!!!!

I thought that Breyer had an agreement of somekind with Hartland. I know people who bought Hartland Large Champ Cowboys and Cowgirls brand new in the early 50's, and they came with a "Breyerlike" horse with the mane on the Left! I e-mailed Mike Jackson with my information and comments last year. He in turn, forwarded it to Nancy Young, whom apparently didn't believe it because she said she had to have proof from somekind of ad showing a Hartland Large Champ Cowboy or Cowgirl with a Breyer-Like Horse with mane on the left. I was also told that these people who had Hartland Large Champ Riders listed with a Breyer-like horse with mane on the left, got the riders and horses mixed up, or lost their original Hartland horse with mane on the right, and put the rider with a Breyer horse.

In the last 3 years I have seen 58 Hartland Large Champ Cowboys and Cowgirls (Mostly Cowboys) offered for sale or auction on the internet. 40 of the 58 had horses with the mane on the left!!!!!! Many of these horses also had a saddle with a cinch snap. All 40 of these people either lost their Hartland horse or mixed it up with a Breyer horse?? Impossible!!!!!!

Anyway, I WAS correct all along, and Mike Jackson is correct with his info. Hartland did sell Large Champ Horses with the mane on the left (Whether they are Hartlands or Breyers.) Thank You!
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on Oct. 25, 2004  
  Well, I respectfully disagree. I believe the horses with the diamond conchos are Hartlands (whether they had manes on the left or right), but I also believe the horses they sold with riders had manes on the right. Similarly, I believe the horses with diamonds that had manes on the left were produced and discontinued prior to any riders were available. I've been wrong before, and this end up being another instance...but with the information and documentation I own right now, I am not convinced otherwise.

Just to clarify the issue, when we talk about the manes on the left or right, it refers to the side as it appears if you were sitting ON THE HORSE, not looking at it straight on. I've been watching eBay regularly, too, and I haven't seen 40 out of 58 on the left. I hesitate to contradict anyone here, just make the note that I am not seeing the same thing on my computer.

Respectfully,
Mike Jackson
 
     
  Posted by Sande Schneider on Nov. 17, 2004  
   
  Hello collectors, I was part of the "study group" that came to the unavoidable conclusion that Hartland did indeed make the diamond concha "Western Horses" the ones with their manes on the left side of their neck. I still have three such horses in my own collection, and I've owned a few others in the past. I had always just assumed that they were early Breyer products. Until last summer I had no solid reason to suspect otherwise.

Our group started finding and compiling clues as early as 2001 that Hartland made those diamond concha Western Horses, but I never imagined that we would accumulate enough evidence to sway me to that conclusion. Of course the most persuasive evidence was Hartland's ad that Mike acquired last spring, the one in the 1950 magazine introducing Hartland's new model horse that includes a photo of a diamond concha Western Horse. After we saw that photo, and went back and added up all the earlier clues, it all made sense. Until then the earlier clues had only added to the mystery.

For instance, in March of 2002 I did a comparison study of the saddles of my own Hartland Champs and Breyer Western Horses -- approximately three dozen of them. I emailed a report of my comparisons to our study group. I actually found enough variation within those saddles so that I broke out my report into ten different "types" of saddles, plus one subtype. Types A through C were assigned to Hartland saddles; Types D and E I "presumed" were Breyer (yes I actually had the foresight to use that word when I wrote my report); and Types F through J were used in describing Breyer saddles.

My three diamond concha models have matching saddles, except only one of them has a cinch strap with a slip-thru buckle. I identified that as a Type E saddle. The other two are cinch-less, slip-on saddles, and I called them Type D saddles. Naturally at the time I wrote that report, I still believed they were Breyer models, yet I was rather surprised that their saddles were so nearly identical to some of my cinch-less Hartland saddles that I had identified as Type B and B1 saddles. This is an exact quote from my report of my Type D saddles: "Amazingly they appear to be molded exactly like Type B1 above. And when I say exactly, I mean exactly -- even down to the creases under the horn and the 'pimples' that extend down from the underside of the cantles and stirrups."

Then the following day, I posted this additional note to the study group:

One other previously unmentioned tidbit: both of my cinchless. Type D saddles and all six of my Hartland Type B and Type B1 saddles, the 8 that appear basically identical to each other, also have a small patch of well matched bubbly-blister-like-flaws on the underside of the left fender. The blisters are just to the left and just below the center spot of that fender. I'm thinking [that] all 8 saddles had to have came from the one and same mold to have such closely matching blister patches.

The fact that the mold imperfections under the saddles from my diamond concha models so closely matched those of some of my Hartland model saddles -- and not any of my Breyer model saddles -- should have been a big red flag that they were indeed Hartland saddles (and horses) too. But at the time I was still wasn't ready to accept that thought.

Admitting that now helps me to understand why some folks are still so hesitant to accept the evidence. It takes time for any of us to accept something new that goes against everything we have believed in the past. Yes, it took me three years to recognize and accept it; but when all the evidence is considered, there should be no doubt remaining that the diamond concha Western Horses were indeed manufactured by Hartland.

Sande Schneider
 
     
   
 
O-Ring style reins and Horse without holes in the bridle.
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on Nov. 17, 2004  
  Hey Sande, Thanks for taking the time to complile that very informative review of our/your findings. At the time, most of "assumed" that Hartland had to have given Breyer their molds for the horse and saddle, mainly a result of Sande's findings and similar ones reported by other collectors. Using the information we had at the time, it was apparent either Breyer got the molds or the exactly copied Hartland's saddle (assuming Hartland made the first horse, but we were never 100% convinced that was the case either because of all the inconsistencies)

When you have two or three books opened telling you that "all" the large horses with the mane on the left side of the horse's neck is a Breyer and all with the mane on the right is a Hartland, you begin the quest for knowledge severely hampered. (Remember, when we talk about which side the mane is on, it relates to how it lays if sitting on the back of the horse and not looking at it head-on)

Thanks again to Sande and Nancy for helping me tell the correct story on this site and in this thread!

Mike Jackson
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson on Feb. 7, 2005  
   
  This Mastercrafters Clock just sold eBay and the seller, "evelynm330" gave me permission to use the photos.  
     
 
One of the ads above mentions a Palomino horse, but the ad shows a light colored horse with darker mane and tail (not normal for a Palomino as Nancy Young pointed out). Also of note, the rich Palomino color of this horse has maintained its color over they years and not changed to the bile green color.

The authenticity of this set is a bit in question. Unfortunately, I didn't ask about the conchos on the side, but this horse might very well be a regular Breyer horse. Sande Schneider suggests the saddle also looks like a Breyer saddle. Lastly, the face and the hands on the clock mechanism are different than the known MC horse clocks. That would bring up the first red flag, but when combined with a potential non-normal horse, we simply can't say for certain this is a valid variation.

Additionally, I should add an observation related to the clocks. I had to take one of my horses off the base. It had been attached with four screws. The clearance between the top of the clock housing and the belly of the horse was non-existant. In fact, the company had ground down a flat spot on this clock to the horse would clear. It also looks like the top of the clock housing had been flattened a little. On another clock base, I tried setting one of the "traditional" Hartland horses with the mane on the right and glued on tail onto the base. Without some serious modifications, this horse comes up about 1/8" short on all four hooves. Without extensive evalaution, my first remarks would be the original horses were fastened permanently to the base and any shrinking of the plasting has been offset by the constant pressure. Freestanding horses may have shrunk as much as 1/8" or more in the legs. Lastly, I have seen one horse that gave way to the pressure and split on the underside of the belly.

Mike
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson ca. May 2005  
   
  Kaia Denham (breyerrose), sent me a few photos to support this issue. She noticed the hooves:
Quote:
Hartland Champs have hooves with no discernible curve from coronet to toe


I added the line and curve into the photo she sent. Hartland collectors are probably used to seeing the straight, or diagonal, hooves on all our Western horses. You can see it in all the photos above, except in the Breyer ad, which has the curved hooves.

Interesting observation!

Mike Jackson
 
     
  Posted by Mike Jackson, Jan 30th, 2009  
   
  Another image showing the distince differences in the hooves. These came from ads shown at the top of the page.  
     
     
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